People familiar with the DNA-Book of Mormon issue will be aware of the vast amounts of apologetic research that has been published in the last few years. Links to much of this research have even been provided from official church websites. In this post I describe my very first interactions with senior leaders of the church and LDS apologists. There was a stark contrast between the way I was treated by local leaders (who trusted and respected me) and more remote senior leaders and apologists.
I first came across DNA research on
Native Americans in July 1998 when I was serving as a Mormon bishop of a ward
in Brisbane, Australia. Over a period of about 2 weeks I read about 30 research
papers that presented the mitochondrial DNA lineages of about 2000 American
Indians from about a hundred tribes scattered over the length of the Americas.
It was clear that over 99% of their DNA was derived from Asia and
was probably brought into the Americas in excess of 12,000 years ago. DNA
studies also showed that the female ancestors of the Polynesians came from
South East Asia and not the Americas.
For two weeks I wrestled with the
research. I struggled with the complete discrepancy between the research and my
understanding of the Book of Mormon and the doctrine of the Lamanites. Like
every Mormon I knew, I believed that Native Americans and Polynesians were largely
descended from Lehi. This doctrine had been reinforced in my mind by every
aspect of the Mormon culture I fully embraced.
I knew many Polynesians in the church in Australia and they all thought
of themselves as Lamanites.
For most of this 2-week period I firmly
believed that the Book of Mormon was true; but I also had a growing knowledge
that Native Americans were not related to Israelites. The intense cognitive dissonance this created was
eventually resolved on the 3rd of August. When I woke up that morning I no longer believed that there were any
Lamanites to be found. I no longer believed that the Book of Mormon was an historical document connected with the true origins of the American Indians. Since I had based my testimony on the
truthfulness of the Book of Mormon, as many prophets had counselled me to do,
my belief in the truth claims of the church were also severely compromised.
If I had not been the bishop I could
have privately dealt with this challenge to my faith. But I was the bishop and
I had severe doubts. To continue in my calling was unthinkable. I had no
alternative but to ask to be released. I met with my Stake President 2 days later and asked to be released as soon as possible.
Within a week I had met with the entire Stake Presidency to discuss my
reasons for asking for a release. All
local leaders who knew me showed respect and kindness in the way
they treated me. Not once did I detect
judgement or anger. All of us were upset
with what was happening. I was released about 2 weeks after meeting
with my Stake President and a member of the Stake Presidency acted as bishop until a replacement was found. Releasing a bishop and calling a new one is not a simple process, and typically takes about 6 weeks in Australia.
Mormon Apologists
At about the time of my release the Stake
President introduced me to a man named Warren Aston, who also lived in Brisbane. I was told that Warren was aware of many
challenging issues and may be able to help me solve the problems I was
struggling with. I gave Warren copies of a couple of the DNA research papers, we spoke
very briefly, and we never met again. I learned afterwards that Warren Aston
was a travel agent who specializes in tours to the Middle East. He is also famous in apologetic circles for
discovering a stone in Yemen with the inscription NHM. Aston claims that this
stone may have been connected with the Book of Mormon location Nahom where Lehi
built an alter. Intriguingly, noted Mormon scholar Terryl Givens believes that the evidence Aston
has uncovered is among the strongest archaeological evidence in support of the
Book of Mormon. Warren Aston is also a noted UFO researcher.
A couple of days after meeting Warren Aston
my Stake President rang to say that he had received a fax for me from the
Foundation for Apologetic Research and Mormon Studies (FARMS) at Brigham Young
University. The fax had the appearance
of a published research paper, and was authored by Scott Woodward and John
Tvedtnes. Scott Woodward was Professor of Microbiology at BYU and John Tvedtnes was a BYU linguistics scholar who had published numerous apologetic articles on a wide range of subjects.
I was alarmed by the tone and content of this document. Just weeks before reading it I had been faithfully serving in the church. To receive a document labeling a person like me a critic of the church looking for evidence to tear down the Book of Mormon was extremely disturbing. During my release I had never criticized the church. I had also not publicly questioned church teachings. In private meetings I had presented leaders with the facts I was currently unable to reconcile with my beliefs. I was in fact trying to get in touch with senior leaders of the church to discuss the difficulties the DNA research would create for the church in the near future.
I was alarmed by the tone and content of this document. Just weeks before reading it I had been faithfully serving in the church. To receive a document labeling a person like me a critic of the church looking for evidence to tear down the Book of Mormon was extremely disturbing. During my release I had never criticized the church. I had also not publicly questioned church teachings. In private meetings I had presented leaders with the facts I was currently unable to reconcile with my beliefs. I was in fact trying to get in touch with senior leaders of the church to discuss the difficulties the DNA research would create for the church in the near future.
I was also very surprised to see Scott
Woodward’s name on the FARMS document. I had begun corresponding with Scott
about the research and he had always been very courteous. We were both trying to identify senior leaders we could talk to about the issues raised by the DNA. It turned out that
Scott was unaware of the FARMS document. He recalled having a brief
discussion with Tvedtnes several months previously about the DNA issue. He was very annoyed that his name had been put on the article without his knowledge. To do such a thing in scientific circles would be unthinkable.
Area Leaders
Within a couple of weeks I received another surprise in the form of a letter from the Area President. I had never spoken to the Area President. I learned afterwards that he had not even spoken to my Stake President. He had written to me based on second hand accounts of what was going on in Brisbane with a wayward bishop. His letter was clearly intended to fill me with fear and guilt. Fear that I would hurt my mother, family and future generations in my family. Fear that I might shake the faith of others who looked up to me. Fear that the eternal lives of my wife and family would be put in jeopardy. Fear that I would become a “hollow shell” of the man that I once was.
Within a couple of weeks I received another surprise in the form of a letter from the Area President. I had never spoken to the Area President. I learned afterwards that he had not even spoken to my Stake President. He had written to me based on second hand accounts of what was going on in Brisbane with a wayward bishop. His letter was clearly intended to fill me with fear and guilt. Fear that I would hurt my mother, family and future generations in my family. Fear that I might shake the faith of others who looked up to me. Fear that the eternal lives of my wife and family would be put in jeopardy. Fear that I would become a “hollow shell” of the man that I once was.
All the people I have spoken to who have
known Elder Featherstone say the same thing.
He is a genuinely kind man. His
letter is simply the natural reaction of a person defending a belief system
that they are not capable of questioning. He interpreted my actions as a threat to
his beloved church and his letter was aimed at defending the church. I had asked to be released because I
had honest doubts and it was the correct thing to do. I could not simply
pretend that I was not troubled and continue on as bishop. At the time I was
still shocked and confused and had not even decided that I was going to leave
the Church. Elder Featherstone later apologized for sending the letter without first talking to my Stake President (who was also surprised by the contents of his letter).
The area leaders
initially questioned the validity of the science and assumed that my
interpretation was incorrect. They were of the view that the American Indians
were Lamanites and if the science doesn’t agree with that conclusion then the
science is wrong. I corresponded with Dr Woodward on about four occasions until
I became even more convinced of the seriousness of the situation. In the midst
of his lengthy defences of the Church he acknowledged that greater than 98% of
American Indian DNA came from Asia and that this conflicts with current thinking
in the church regarding the whereabouts of the Lamanites today. He confirmed
that scientists at BYU had tested over 6000 American Indians from Peru and they
came up with the same problem of virtually all the female DNA lineages coming
from Asia. To date this research has not been published.
After communicating
with scientists at BYU and reading numerous FARMS publications I wrote to the Area President detailing what I had learned and I asked for his advice. Should
I accept the new FARMS theories limiting Lehi’s impact to a small colonization and
at the same time reject the words of the prophets or should I reject all the
science and go back to what the Book of Mormon and prophets have said? This is
the response I received soon afterwards.
Elder Featherstone's inclusion of dialogue I could memorize and quote to
those inquiring about my status was particularly troubling. Like a mindless zombie I could say...
"We are all tried in different ways in the Church; and through those trials comes either increased faith and greater commitment, or a lost faith. I am committed to spending as much time as I need with the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price to get my previous witness back again as it was before.”
The thought of
memorising and then delivering these words to inquiring members was
sickening. I had reached the end of the
road. To stay an active Mormon it was clear what my future held. I would have become a pariah and the
subject of pity. The only way I could survive in the church would be to stop
thinking, keep my doubts to myself, and to lie to those brave enough to
genuinely inquire about how I was getting on.
By December 1998 my
wife Jane and all of our children (aged between 5 and 15) had all decided to leave
the church. We moved to Canberra a few weeks later and we have never regretted
our choice to this day. All of our children have happily grown to adulthood
with no religious beliefs. They are wonderful people who are free to make their
own choices and they are starting to make important contributions to their
community.







Wonderful that your family left Mormonism; however, very sad that your children have NO religious beliefs. How about you and your wife?
ReplyDeleteWe don't have religious beliefs either. This will probably sound shocking for people conditioned by their religion or their society to think that people with no beliefs have sadder lives. But this is a myth. Many of the most secular societies in the world are the most prosperous and happiest. Australia is a very secular country and there are plenty of atheists here, including our Prime Minister. Being an atheist isn't demonized like it is in the US.
DeleteI was conditioned as a Mormon to consider other religions false. For a few months after we left I considered looking into other faiths but then lost interest.
@ Anonymous
DeleteOh, so you want religion do you? If you've been to the Temple do they sound familiar words :)
I too left the church after many years and since doing so have become a Born Again Pagan :) returning to my early ancestral religious roots. Now, my church is all around me. I hear natures hymnal music whenever I step outside, and walking on Mother earth and being part of its scene is where I get my spirituality from. This is the best Calling I've ever had :)
Thank you much for sharing your story. I appreciate your courage in holding to truth as you understand it in the face of dire warnings from your religious leaders. It took courage that many doubters lack. As a former devout Mormon who has similarly discovered the joy that comes with freedom from religious belief, I can say that you have done a wonderful thing for your children and descendants.
ReplyDeleteSimon,
ReplyDeleteThank you for sharing this very personal experience. Your final two paragraphs are particularly powerful. Your courage and intellectual honesty are traits that Mormon leaders and apologists would do well to emulate. Great work Simon.
I find it interesting as well as disturbing that the idea of looking for the Truth is discouraged. I firmly believe that trying to convince one of the truth by telling them lies is as low as one can get - especially in the name of religion.
ReplyDeleteThanks so much for sharing this story, however we cannot read the contents of letters -- the typeface is too small and blurred. Is there a way you can enlarge the letters to be readable?
ReplyDeleteYour info is most helpful as we have a family member immersed in the dilemma of (trying) to teach the B of M course this year in SS. This story will help her see the bigger picture, at least if/when she's ready.
Thanks!
I've been struggling to find a way to improve the image quality. I'll get there, but this is the best I can do for now. You could try clicking the images, capturing them and saving the images to your own computer. Then you can examine them at higher magnification. Let me know if that works.
DeleteOkay...practiced copying/pasting into word doc and was able to enlarge...still very faded and fuzzy, but clear enough to read and understand.
DeleteThanks so much again. Your saga is reflective of the horror so many of us are going through. It really helps everyone when brave souls are willing to go deep in sharing of personal experiences. Now I need get your book and read it!
Excellent case study of spiritual abuse!
ReplyDeleteMy thoughts exactly.
DeleteYou have inspired so many of us over the years with your courage and your love of truth. It is very interesting to find this blog written by you instead of about you. Thank you for sharing your journey and helping others to realize they "are not alone."
ReplyDeleteYou portray yourself as an innocent victim. How about those members who verify that you did at one time bear a testimony of the BoM? Surely a scientest knows the value of keeping notes, i.e. a journal! Your memory is vague and your scientific mindset delivered its pathetic judgment of a spiritual record.
ReplyDeleteMark my words, a voice, the truth, will haunt you all your days, and because you failed to endure your "trial of faith," your demise will be justified, and your inability to lead a balanced life, and teach it to your children, will reap a sorrow unknown.
Where's your wife in all this?
Don't conflate your heartless and shallow existence in Mormonism with the wonderful, Christ centered preaching of the Book of Mormon. You're not the first scientist who lost faith, but look around, you're surrounded by scientists who regained faith. All the best and God bless!
Minus the Mormon-specific references, this comment by "Anonymous" could have been written by any religious fundamentalist from any sect. The point is always the same: No matter what, my church is right, because it's my church.
DeleteAnonymous Jan 29
DeleteThe post describes the way LDS apologists and senior leaders treated me at a time when all I had done was ask to be released because I had doubts. I explained that the DNA research troubled me and I needed to be released. It was highly inappropriate for me to be labelled a critic of the church for asking to be released. It was also highly inappropriate for an Area leader to write to me without first speaking with my Stake President.
From then on I became very uncomfortable with the way LDS apologists have handled the issue. I didn't go public until March 2000, almost 18 months after leaving the church.
I had a testimony of the Book of Mormon. And what was that testimony? I felt warm emotions as I read it. Who taught me that warm emotions is the Holy Ghost revealing truth? The Mormon Church. I no longer trust my feelings to reveal truth to me. Plenty of people feel strong emotions about their churches.
Please note that rude comments reflect poorly on the polite majority of Mormons. In future you may wish to keep this in mind.
Hi there, Anon. Your assertion that "a voice, the truth, will haunt [those who leave the church] all [their] days" pretty funny, considering I left the Mormon church nearly three years ago and have had no such thing. I've also found no difficulty in leading a "balanced life". And I even have journals from when I was an active, believing Mormon, so yeah, I could provide you with sources to prove I once had a testimony.
DeleteIt's sad you're so wrapped up in your faith that you can't even entertain the idea that people live happy, wonderful, fulfilling lives outside of your religion. I pity you.
I admire your courage. What you did was not easy. Your children and their children can only benefit and learn from your experience. Critical thinking is so important! The Mormon Church gives "questioning" lip service, but only if the answers you receive are "church approved". Thanks for your inspiration!
ReplyDeleteSimon, It was coincidental to see this today, as just yesterday I spent a large part of the day reading your book, Losing a Lost Tribe. I went to the US for a funeral in July, and picked up some books in English, and someone recommended your book. It was only yesterday that I began to read it. I am impressed - well done. Of course, I haven´t finished the book, and surely have more time to think about it, but quickly, I wanted to thank you.
ReplyDeleteIn Bill Maher's movie, "Religulous," two stalwarts of the Ex-Mormon Community, Tal Bachman and Bill Gardiner describe the "instant social ostracism" that occurs when one abandons one's faith in Mormonism.
ReplyDeleteI've met both of these men, and Simon Southerton as well, and they are all compassionate men of conscience who simply couldn't continue to maintain the charade of a "true believer."
And yet the process of exiting the faith creates very real consequences and punishment for clinging steadfastly to what are obvious facts and scientific truths. Doubters are even vilified for availing themselves of the support offered by the various ex-Mormon and post-Mormon sites and conferences. One LDS site characterizes one such website as "worse than pornography" in terms of the potential harm to one's testimony.
That is doubtful. One can go to ecclesiastical authorities and receive guidance for dealing with pornography. A "loss of faith," however, is a much more heinous offense.
You're are kidding right, Southerton was not deep in Mormon territory, but in fact has benefited from his changed position greatly as most scientist with whom he associates ARE agnostics, so by leaving Mormonism, he joined a wonderful majority, not minority.
DeleteIf you believe in the Holy Bible you will realize that the Native Americans are the true Israelite people. Mormonism is just a lie, it may have some truth, but it is corrupt and worthless. The belief that Native Americans are Israelites came when the pilgrims realized this fact. It was always contested by non- believers as yourself, but never proven. Until modern times we have DNA, which if used incorrectly can be used as a basis of discrimation. Simply comparing Native American DNA to modern jews is not sound scientific reasoning. The KJV Holy Bible is the only incorruptible truth. Genesis 10 Table of Nations: Japheth= Caucasian, Ham= Black, Shem= Mongolian/Chinese. Genesis 10:25 Heber had two sons, Peleg and Joktan. These two are the Hebrew patriarch. Genesis 10:30 Joktan and family migrated to the far east and became the Chinese. Translated from Hebrew according to the Holy Word they went to the Orient, not Arabia as so called scholars claim. Peleg/Mongolians are the ones written about in the Bible. Yahweh chose them and gave them the Holy Land, until they became debased from idolatry. God exiled them to the four corners of the earth. I trust more in the Word of God then black listing of the Israelite Native Americans. Japheth are deceived, yet you can still have redemption. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Amen
ReplyDeleteNative American and Israelites? Oh please! Bronze aged myths (Bible) from the Middle East have nothing to do with ancient America. Want to know what the Pilgrims in America really did? They used their Bible to justify killing women and children.
DeleteOn May 26, 1636 the men were away, leaving more than 400 family members in the village. The women, children and elderly went to bed. They had no idea that all but five of them would never see another sunset.
John Mason praised the God of the Bible for the success in killing so many people.
http://www.archive.org/stream/briefhistoryofpe00maso#page/30/mode/2up
Page 30
"Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the place with dead bodies!"
http://www.archive.org/stream/briefhistoryofpe00maso#page/34/mode/2up
Page 35
"It was the Lord's doings, and it is marvellous in our Eyes! It is He that hath made his work wonderful, and therefore ought to be remembred."
John Underhill justified the killing of women and children in the name of the God of the Bible.
http://www.archive.org/stream/briefhistoryofpe00maso#page/80/mode/2up
Page 81
"Sometimes the scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents. Sometimes the case alters; but we will not dispute it now. We had sufficient light from the word of god for our proceedings."
Scientists are trying to tell the world the truth about America's indigenous people. They are trying to show the world a beautiful people with a rich and deep cultural history and heritage of their own, outside of the Bible. And because Simon spoke up to show that Mormons are not portraying things correctly he gets attacked.
You deleted a post, nevertheless, your casual assurance and pathetic legacy and leadership for wife and kids has been checked.
ReplyDeleteBetter repent and choose something other than the Book of Mormon as your fodder.
The post was deleted because it was rude.
DeleteIt amazes me how some LDS members who self-proclaim themselves to be very honest and very knowledgable on the Lamanite-DNA issue maintain a strong testimony of the LDS church. Yes I know it happens but I'm dumbfounded on how they do it. If they've really studied up on the dialogues over this Lamanite-DNA issue then they'd certainly be aware of the sincere 1K Father Lehi Descendant Scholarship offer I made several years ago which has not yet had any takers. What I offered and I repeat my offer now publicly and suggest that any takers email me to my Yahoo account which alex_degaston is my userid on any specifics I may have not answered here on how this scholarship shall be awarded and disbursed. The scholarship is for 1000 US dollars to be paid directly to any bonafide accredited university in the world to assist the scholarship recipient with tuition, fees, or any other legitimate college education expenses that this recipient has or will incur as a student. This scholarship will be awarded to the first legitimate application who emails me the following:
ReplyDeletea. Full name, birthdate (year, month, day), and home mailing address.
b. Picture of applicant.
c. University name, address, and applicant's admission date.
c. Legally notarized affidavit in the USA or at a USA Consulate overseas made under penalty of perjury signed by the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints certifying that the individual (mentioned by full name, birthdate, and church membership number) is a literal descendant of Father Lehi; and that the notary is a legal notary who declares under penalty of perjury that they witnessed the signature.
d. Legally notarized affidavit under penalty of perjury signed by the applicant stating that parts a, b, and c are true.
As soon as an application is received it will be acknowledged and the award will be announced and made quickly within 10 days unless there is a dispute. No disputes will be made on complete applications (i.e. parts a, b, c, and d) without me first publicly providing a case number from a law enforcement agency as I shall honor the first legitimate full application from any individual who is certified by the church president as being a literal descendant of Father Lehi.
Hi Alex,
ReplyDeleteMake that 2K. I'd be happy to chip in a grand as well. Perhaps a Polynesian will apply?
3K. And I'm poor.
DeleteMr. Southerton,
ReplyDeleteWithout any religous beliefs, what do you belive happens to you when you die? Thanks
I believe you stop living and will be remembered by your loved ones.
ReplyDeleteMr. Southerton,
ReplyDeleteThank you for the work you have done in regards to DNA lineage of the Native Americans.
I was born and raised a Mormon, attended seminary, institute, served an honorable two-year mission in the Philippines, married in the LA temple, and I am no longer a Mormon. I found my way out of the cult by learning more about cosmology and realizing that the Mormon cosmological model is not supported by the evidence. Though I was out of the cult before I read your book, I find your book was inspirational because you approached your scientific study as a way to support your faith much as I did with my look into cosmology. I can tell you are an honest seeker of the truth and the evidence led you out of the church. If the church were true the evidence would have supported it. It is as simple as that.
I wonder what sort of stipend Vaughn Featherstone receives from the church as a General Authority? It bothers me that he would sit in judgment of you while lining his pockets with the tithes from the believers. I suppose it goes to show that the best con-men believe themselves...
That's funny. I have almost the same identical background and exit story. The study of cosmology woke me up when I thought it would merely strengthen my Testimony. So glad I am out. Life is better out here.
Deletepraydude said, "If the church were true the evidence would have supported it. It is as simple as that."
DeleteIf all religion could be proved or disproved, we would never need faith. And you cannot just assume anyone who defends his religion is receiving monetary gain, as you suggested with Featherstone. I'm certain, especially in the LDS faith, that careers are not set aside in order to receive a stipend from the church while serving as a General Authority. That's a ridiculous idea.
Simon: I was curious about Featherstone's (ironic name) comment about your Mother being very devout and suggesting the heartache you may bring upon her with your apostacy. Coincidentally, today is Mother's Day as I write, but I am curious to know if you were able to sway your Mother in the way your family went--with you.
ReplyDeleteWhen I left, I risked my relationship with my parents, but they never wavered in their love for me, though they remain believers. I was fortunate. I'd like to think you got the last laugh on VJF regarding his comment.
Thanks again for sharing your experience. It is all very enlightening.
Chuck Borough: Religion is not and never has been about a search for "truth." That's what science is about. Religion is about other important things, giving people great social advantages and a better way to live. Thousands of religions all thinking they are the correct one is huge data. Many think thousands are worng and just one is right. Given a thousand religions, one of which is yours, all 1000 of them say I'm wrong. 999 of them say you're wrong. I like my position better; mine is a far stronger argument.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your courage to maintain this posting space, and your integrity and honesty. It is sad that those pretending to be Disciples of Christ do the opposite.
ReplyDeleteMay you continue in happy and healthy living. The atonement and his sacrifice are for all of us specially the honest and pure of heart.
Maria
Like many others, I have had my faith crises. However, Mr. Southerton and others, I find your troubles with the DNA claims and Elder Featherstone to be very whiny and juvenile. Let me first address your uneasiness with Elder Featherstone. The first letter posted surely exposes his over-zealous attitude, but he clearly was coming from a place of concern for his fellow man. Yes, he was clumsy and somewhat brash, but seemed to have realized this in the second letter, where he restates his desire to help you feel the love comfort that can be found within the church. To throw everything you held dear after only two weeks of reading was hasty and shows your stubbornness. I get that it is a difficult decision, I've been struggling with separate issues in my membership for six months. However, I'm not ready to discount all that is said by others (whether my superior or otherwise)because I believe my intellect and research cannot by misguided. I found Elder Featherstone's second letter to be genuine and loving. Because you and others could not see this shows your own judgmental perspective. Being judgmental and zealous goes both ways!
ReplyDeleteThe DNA issues seem pointless to me. Who really cares where Native American Indians came from? As a field of scientific study, I can appreciate it's usefulness or intrigue, but as a position to prove or disprove the Book of Mormon is lame. I can only assume that early believers of the Book of Mormon were so eager to be validated that they believed the Lamanites were Jewish descendants. So this theory was perpetuated. I don't care that it is likely inaccurate. Maybe the Lamanites died off, maybe our science is incomplete, or maybe our Native Americans are just Asian descendants. This really seems to me to be a non-issue. To devote your life to disproving the Book of Mormon on this one non-issue seems quite pathetic. I can appreciate helping others along in a faith transition in either direction, but your self-congratulating shows your arrogance and disdain for believers.
I misspoke...I believe that the early believers of the Book of Mormon were so eager to be validated that they came to the conclusion that Native Americans were of Jewish descent. This belief perpetuated through the generations and became common knowledge, as do traditions and beliefs in all cultures. Every religious and non-religious culture has misguided interpretations. The leaders of our church conduct their lives according to their own zeal, perceptions, and traditions as does everyone. I just think this DNA issue is REALLY overstated.
DeleteCathryn: The "prophets," since Joseph Smith, who claim to speak for god as his mouth piece have all said the Native Americans are the Lamanites and they have also said that the Book of Mormon is the word of god and is a true book--over and over again. The book says the Lamanites decended from Lehi and that he came out of Jerusalem. Therefore, DNA is a big deal because it shows the Mormon claims to be grossly false. Falsity is the opposite of truth. I never accuse the church leaders of conspiring to dupe the world. They are duped themselves. I am intimately familiar with the culture, having lived it. But wanting so badly to believe in something because it was a held belief by your forefathers, does not make it true or right, and virtually all religions are guilty of this. The LDS people would be just as good people if they weren't religious at all and they may be perhaps even more moral. The only arrogance I see comes from the "arrogance of certainty" which all religions, especially Mormons, put out there to the world. Sure, they do it with the spirit of love, yet passively judgmental, but it is still arrogance, and now that the certainty part is being challenged, the real truth seekers will emerge, and those who ignore facts will continue in their blissful ignorance and continue to brainwash and dupe their children as well. That is sad. If children were allowed to grow up devoid of religion until their frontal lobes were closed (about age 20) nobody would join any religion. Clinging to a religious backdrop is not necessary to live a moral life, and in fact only promotes self delusion and living a lie which sets a dangerous pattern for human life.
DeleteHave the leaders said that ALL Native Americans are Lamanites? People make sweeping generalities all the time. Do we need to be quite so literal? Like you, I do not believe that the leaders of the church are trying to dupe the members, but I also do not believe that everything that comes from the General Conference pulpit/Ensign/BYU is absolute truth. Talks and essays are more often based on theories and opinions and somehow they get swooped up into part of our culture, becoming "knowledge." I'm just saying that people get offended by an idea WAY too easily. Mr. Southerton just seemed way too eager to throw the entire culture (good and bad) away because he was offended by one issue where he claimed superior knowledge. To then dedicate one's life trying to dissuade others from believing in a peaceful, service-oriented religion is arrogant, stubborn, and self-serving! And you cannot possibly make the claim that "LDS people would be just as good people if they weren't religious at all and they may be perhaps even more moral." Certainly, they would be less judgemental, but my time away from the church has not been spent trying to please a compassionate God by serving and loving others. And "intellectuals" are just as arrogant and judgemental as those within the church, believing that members are "blissfully ignorant." Am I only a truth-seeker if my truth agrees with yours? Perhaps some "cling to a religious backdrop" because they know that by doing so, they will more easily live a moral life? There is room for improvement on both sides of this issue.
DeleteCathryn: Pretty touchy feeley! What, everyone can just believe what they want regardless of what truth is? Everyone has their own truth. I have no problem with people getting together and having meetings and pot lucks. But they should call it a social club and not a religion based on fables that everyone claims to be true or wants so badly to be true. It is silly. Would you start a Leprechaun club that really believes in that nonsense and worships at the pot of gold at the base of a rainbow? It's nice that all religions seek to do good for humanity--or so their adherents are convinced, but they don't need it and it is the height of delusion to pretend. These people vote based on supernatural thinking. Decisions about Middle East diplomacy are being made by people with Armageddon, God's will will be done viewpoints--welcoming another holocaust essentially. That is just one example. Thousands dying of Aids because of Catholic views on contraception; female genital mutilation--all in the name of keeping the wonderful social architecture of religion alive because it may produce some good for some people. You have such little confidence in mankind and so much confidence in the power of silly mush. I know the Mountain is there because I see it and I have climbed it. I have much more insight that one who has not gone there or bothered to look at it. That is blissful ignorance. There is a difference in knowing and believing. You are trying to have both. Give it up already.
DeleteSadly 40% of Mormons that find out the lies in Mormonism, end up leaving and believing there is no God at all, because Joseph Smith said the Bible couldn't be trusted! The Bible has plenty of evidence to back it up and when something in the Bible just doesn't make sense, it is because you really need to take the whole Book as a whole. God is real and so is eternity with him and Hell without him. Hell is a long time when you are aware that all you needed to do was accept and believe in Jesus! John 3:16 For God so loved the world, That he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life! Jesus did it all!
ReplyDeleteI found your blog from the link on Mormon Stories. I haven't listened to the podcast yet. I am not an apologist anymore, and my disaffection is not with the Church, or with the Book of Mormon, but with apologists and FAIR. I sympathize with the fact that you have lost faith, and that I don't condemn you for it. But I'd like to extend an invitation. I have never had faith that the Brethren are experts on how to deal with disaffection other than to let people go from the Church. They were never experts on science, and that was not their call, and I don't believe that they ever claimed to know how to deal with science. I have no congnative dissonance with either science or the Book of Mormon. I just have two separate datasets of partial truth that have not converged yet. I have big long lists of things from the Book of Mormon that haven't been found yet, and that is how I look at it. There is no use dwelling on that fact as far as I can see, other than to concede that it is the case. I believe that to make a statement that they have not been found yet is a statement of faith. I believe that a statement of doubt is to say something like the fact that they have not been found yet has something to say about the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. I don't believe it has to. I believe that the Book of Mormon is true, but it only presents a partial truth about Native Americans, and the rest of the truths are to be found in science. When I say partial truth, I don't mean that half of what it has to say is a lie. I mean that it only presents part of the picture. Just how science and the Book of Mormon interlink has not been found yet. I know that statement sounds a lot like Elder Featherstone's statements to you. But a better methodology to finding truth is not immediate rejection, but to pray for patience and to pray that over time, God will give you the keys of knowledge necessary to have enough faith to go on. I'm not going to tell you that you gave up too soon, or to pass judgement on you. I just think that in your current situation, you still have the option of coming back to the Church when you find those keys, and I hope you do. Those keys that you can find will be the keys to a new faith, definitely a different kind of faith, but still, a new faith. If you have enough faith, or even desire to have God reveal those to you in his own time, I think that he can lead you back to the Church in his time and in your own time when you feel comfortable with it.
ReplyDeleteI don't feel that you are on the wrong path, but I think that in time, because you are a seeker of truth, that if you are willing to have faith in God that he can reveal keys of knowledge to you, and if you are willing to come back when he calls you back, that you will be given the means to do so. I just hope that you do. I know that with enough time and patience, that the keys that I speak of are out there, not of a perfect knowledge, but enough to find faith. Not blind faith, but keys that give indication enough to know the direction in which faith is eventually to be found. I pray for you that you will look for those keys, and pray to find them.
I am completely offended and shocked by Brother Featherstone's letters. He was condescending and disrespectful. It was completely inappropriate to reprimand you as if you were a wayward teenager. I don't see the letter as being written out of love or concern for you. You do not demonstrate true love by trying to shame and control another. And I didn't think the second letter was that much of an improvement.
ReplyDeleteI love that in the first letter he says, "Hey we referred you to Scott Woodward to resolve your doubts about DNA - he is a world-renowed expert!" Then when you ask him about Scott Woodward's theories, in the second letter he says, "Ignore what Scott Woodward says - experts don't really know anything - just follow the prophet!"
As a side note, isn't anyone else completely disturbed that the Church/FARMS is putting Scott Woodward's name on a paper he didn't write and without even asking his permission? I hope he raised hell about that if for no other reason than to protect his integrity as a scholar.